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Salaam Alekuum brothers and sisters,

Now we all know the reputation of Usama Hassan now who calls any Muslim who accuses Ed and his side kick of Heresy, liars! We also know his very unorthodox views on the hijab, and apostasy. We are also still very, very confused about what he actually means by a “Prophetic Caliphate” especially as he loves the term “Islamic Secularism” and is in close association with the Quilliam Foundation. Of course we have also his very strange referencing to figures that would make a mainstream Muslim scholar raise his eyebrow. That has been discussed before.

Of course, all this has not forced JIMAS to remove his name from the list of speakers at the conference in August. See this link

http://www.jimas.org/conf08/conf08.htm

How in the world will the scholars of the Salafi persuasion even contemplate giving this man a platform? It would be have been better if he was unconditionally forced to hold a question and answer session with the Ulema on the platform!

We also know that the Quilliam Foundation has linked this group in its manifesto.

http://quilliamfoundation.org/images/stories/pdfs/pulling-together-to-defeat-terror.pdf

Of course, that would only require that JIMAS make a public statement that “The Quilliam Foundation does not represent Islam”. Not difficult I think and surely not controvertial!

Still we had a scheduled speaker at the conference, a Hamza Tzortzis.

http://hamzatzortzis.blogspot.com/2008/07/announcement-why-i-have-cancelled-jimas.html

Our concern is not with his leaning, but with what JIMAS did! He initially sent them an email clarifying his problems with this apparent link and here is the letter

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      LETTER FROM HAMZA TZORTZIS TO JIMAS:
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Salaam my dear Brother,

I pray you are well and in the best of possible states.

Ever since I agreed to talk at JIMAS I have been very happy and excited, as I have been given the opportunity to send a positive message to many Muslims. All praises are due to Allah.

To get more publicity for the conference, I put the flyer up on my blog and sent an email to all my email lists informing them of this event and other events.

Unfortunately, as a result I have been bombarded with phone calls and emails trying to explain to me that if I give a talk at JIMAS it would associate me with those in the community who attempt to ’secularise’ the deen. Furthermore they added that it may effect my dawah work as the forthcoming international platforms that want me to speak may change their minds on my invitation; due to the negative perception that influential and other Muslims have concerning the current affiliations of your organisation.

I however do not completely agree with these messages, but I am in a dilemma because in the work of dawah every Muslim wants to be as effective as possible and prevent any potential fitna and disunity from arising, hence I need some public clarification from yourself that you are not affiliated with certain individuals who attempt to ’secularise’ Islam.

Your site has been linked on to the ‘Quilliam Foundation’ website and they have mentioned JIMAS on various occasions. Quilliam Foundation are seen by many as an organisation that are trying to secularise Islam.

Please understand my predicament as my intentions are to please Allah as much as possible by giving dawah and attempting to work towards a small milestone for positive change. I have no negative feelings or resentments. I love you and the Muslims, however I need some public clarification as the majority of the Muslims who have contacted me have raised serious concerns.

These messages have not only come from ‘activists’ or what some people may call ‘Islamists’, they have come from the normal average Muslim.

If you feel it is unnecessary to agree to the above or can not do it for any reasons, I will not be able to attend the JIMAS conference for the sake of Allah in preventing fitna and possible disunity. However, I do sincerely pray you are successful in everything that you do that pleases Allah.

Please reply as soon as you can, and inshAllah we can discuss this further.

I was going to call or arrange a coffee with you, but I do not have your number.

Wasalaam & love,

Your brother Hamza
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What did JIMAS do? Instead of replying they took his name of the speakers list without telling him! Yet they still keep Usama Hassan on!

Subhanallah, now that is surely a strange Salafi Manhaj! I must emphasis though that Usama Hassan’s father has nothing to do with the foundation wal hamidullah!

We await their clarification.

Ed and his cronies have infiltrated a Brewali Mosque in Luton

http://www.uk-local-search.co.uk/details.aspx?id=870804

with the support of a person named TAREQ MAHMUD  who is the secretary-general. The telephone number of this mosque is 01582 734988

Obviously if this is not the mosque please let us know! Here is their take

http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/280

Inshallah more to come up on this event from our contacts at traditionalislamism.wordpress.com. Anyone who has information about this event please contact us on ibnnadam@gmail.com

This is a speech by Ibrahim Osi Effa during Habib Ali’s UK tour. See this link

http://www.radicalmiddleway.co.uk/videos.php?id=15&art=15&vid=85

Note in the begining section in the crowd we have Ed Hussain! Ahlaan! How are you Ed? It is amazing how this servant of Satan goes around to show how he is within “mainstream Islam”. Obviously this Foundation was on this tour to see if they could get support from the likes of Habib Ali.

It would be a wonderful service to the Ummah if these Ulema publically denounce Ed Husaain and his side kicks.

We first had a member of the Radical Middle Way praising this group and inshallah he will correct his mistake. then we had the Islamic Society of Britain sharing a platform with him with all the conditions that he insisted and then finally yesterday on the Islam Channel we had this vile creature again forcing speakers like Azad Ali and Innayat off. Read Azad Ali’s frustration! Something that I have so much sympathy for

http://blog.islamicforumeurope.com/?p=67

Enough is enough! This man is using this notoriety to show the Government that he is doing something. He is not engaging with the Muslims for the sake of “dialogue”. He wants money!

So I suggest that these groups refuse to even give this man face on his own conditions! No more! If he was sincere in his dialogue then he would have faced anyone. Clearly he is a coward and it is obvious why.

Many a times we have heard that it is better that we engage in the common good even with non Muslims rather than  throwing out the baby with the water. It surely would be difficult if we adopted a mentality of and I quote

“Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.”

Indeed this attitude now has included the Quilliam Foundation by certain representitives of the Muslim community and I shall later on in this blog include people that I had been silent about before. We should even have “husn al Dhunn” (give them the benefit of the doubt ) for these people.  We must remember that the British government had linked its funding with support for this Foundation. Here is the link

http://traditionalislamism.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/support-quilliam-or-else/

What do we mean by common good?

1-We could work for the benefit of the Muslims in drug rehab programs, in providing a “British Muslim” identity, in tackling extremism and so on. It would not matter what the conditions are for this engagement

2-We could work on the “common good” with Non Muslim Governments but on the condition that we are not forced to leave Islam, compromise on our religion, and so on

3-We should never trust Non Muslim Governments and only have a hostile relationship i.e.

“Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.”

Now the British Government is forcing people like the Radical Middle Way to engage with the Quilliam Foundation and even support them publically. In fact we have other people like Hamza Yusuf having “husn al Dhunn of people like Mockbul Ali a Muslim in the British Government who is said now to have closer relationships with the Quilliam Foundation.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/martin-bright/2008/04/quilliam-foundation-meeting

Of course in my eyes he had links with MCB before the change in policy, and now with the governments support for this foundation he has changed tact. He clearly is forced because of his position to just push what the Government wants despite what he may personally believe.

Now can we really engage in “Husn al Dhunn” in forming a “British Muslim” identity with entities like the Quilliam Foundation? Well this really makes a mock of this whole notion of “common good” and “Husn al Dhunn”.

Here we have a foundation that calls the prophets edicts barbaric, equates orthodox Islam with the BNP, wants us to seek a re-interpretation on the “abomination” of Homosexuality (well, I shall leave it to Maajid to clarify that one) and takes the Maqasid approach to Kufr and we want to engage with them in forming a British identity?! We want to be “inclusive” with them? I mean that is ridiculous to say the least! So we accept the funding of the British Government as long as we say that they are contributing in a positive and inclusive manner to moulding our identity of Islam. Yeah, well that would be great if it were not for the fact that by adopting this approach  we destroy the basis of the whole enterprise! It is like saying, I will unite with Neo Nazis to combat racism! A contradiction, if I ever saw one!

Now of course those people within the Radical Middle Way do see this as a mistake as one supporter clearly said on this site. I quote

I am not disagreeing with you that Ed Hussain has been way out of line – I AGREE, I AGREE, I AGREE. And it was totally unnecessary for Abdulrahman malik to ‘bring’ QF into the comment he was making in that video. It’s his fault and naviety for trying to be inclusive because I think the QF does not do anything worth including or praising.

Well Ed is not just out of line, he is also preaching Kufr! Alhamidullah I know it was a mistake (and this is where I have Husn al Dhunn), but why can’t the Radical Middle Way make it public ? Wallahi, I am not here to be obsessive on mistakes and it would do the foundation a whole lot of good. Unfortunately this approach of a three prong Husn al Dhunn, engagement in an inclusive manner, and an agreement to disagree has also been pushed forward by another “Sufi”  “mainstream” figure that is well known. For the moment that figure that we have evidence for shall remain annonymous until the right time comes. Remember we are talking about the Quilliam Foundation here .

Of course there is nothing wrong in engaging with anybody in seeking to root out things like unemployment, crime, and drug addiction but not at the expense of our religion!

This is Husn al Dhunn taken to far. Rather we should adopt this approach as our beloved Prophet said

A believer is not stung twice from the same hole.

The brother Abdul Rehman Malik has replied to the accusation against him in a personal letter that he has sent to my email address. Inshallah I have asked him if he wants me to make it public, and whether this would be his final word.

I await his permission to make it public, and I assume if he does not reply then it will not be a problem as it was initially addressed to clarify certain “accusations”.

Of course we do reserve the right to reply to it.

We have a supporter who has this to say

So unless you armchair warriors have actually made the effort to speak to Abdul Rehman Malik, please restrain yourselves

Well then I will give the platform to Abdul Rehman Malik to clarify what seems to be a problem as I emphasised. Inshallah it was a slip of the tongue on his part when he promoted the Quilliam Foundation in Egypt.

Abdul Rehman Malik can contact me on ibnnadam@gmail.com or can add a comment for us to contact him and we will be more than happy for him to clarify the situation and distance himself from this heretical cult.

We await his response. If he does not choose to respond then it is our duty to make this public to the Muslims in this country to push  the Radical Middle Way for a clarification . They must distance themselves from the beliefs of the Quilliam Foundation publically or it will significantly damage their reputation in this country.  Like I said as of yet we have not added this foundation to the heretics that support this group.

For the sake of simplicity let’s divide British Muslims into those very politicised by current affairs and those who are not. It is in the former category of politicised Muslims, especially those angry with foreign policy and come under the influence of radical recruiters, where the Qulliam Foundation needs to have influence and impact. And to have that influence and impact QF needs the backing of various Muslim bodies, intellectuals and imams etc. Without that they’re just two guys doing media interviews and getting some government funding. They’ll have negligible impact on the ground.

http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2164

I think Sunny has failed to realise it is too late! Ed and his cronies knew from the begining that they would not get any real Muslim support and they are as you said now reduced to

… two guys doing media interviews and getting some government funding. They’ll have negligible impact on the ground.

Unfortunately they are taking government funding, spending on Allah knows what and pretending they are tackling extremism. Instead they are just ranting and raving popular cliches among certain Non Muslim bodies. Ed will get his books sold, Maajid and Rashad may get some hidden benefits ( who knows what will come out later) and the Government is red in the face knowing that they have been swindled and taken for a ride!  Ed and his cronies are now getting government funding as Maajid admited in a briefing given to the Guardian. As one minister in the Government said

“This cannot continue, it’s completely counterproductive. You have to engage with those with influence over those you want to influence.”

Indeed, it would be wise to interact with Muslim groups of all variety whatever there history and the Rand’s disagreements with, for the common good in this country. A government policy should not be based on a world that is coloured by Newspapers like THE SUN!

The majority of Muslims are peaceful and can provide benefit to this country but NOT at the expense of their religion and especially their creed! Those high up, have done the Muslims a favour and alhamdulillah have united us as never seen before. (more on this coming up soon on this blog!)

I would like the brothers and sisters in Islam to listen to Maajid’s view on homosexuality and certain heterosexual relationships. See the end of the Question and Answer session

http://washingtoninstitute.org/audio/audio_popup.php?id=409&table=tblEvents

Marriage is effective immediately according to Maajid without the need of a State when a man and woman exchange there vows. He gives an example of Zawaj al Urufi (which he has even misunderstood). In other words for the contract to be valid, according to him, it only need be between two people and Allah! I wonder what he is talking about? Of course we need to clarify this. Does this not open the door for fitnah in Islam?

How in the world can we establish what is a marriage and what is Zina in this world? It would be impossible! Every accusation of Zina. no matter how strong the evidence,  could be refuted with the insane idea that they are married before Allah! What would be the difference between an extra marital affair and marriage then?

Isnt this rejected by the consensus of the Ulema? We shall discuss this Zawaj al Urufi in Islam. We also think that we know the source of this distortion! Rashad how are you? Shall we discuss the Social System in Islam by Taqi?

Then comes the interesting comment on Homosexuality. I quote

There is no reason why a modern day interpretation is less valid…… The evidence they cite, the prophetic tradition that they cite about homosexuals and they say that they need to be executed by being thrown off the highest building and thats HT’s line on this. It’s quite extreme. The tradition they cite is mentioned by leading theologians such as Imam al Shokani in Nayl al Awtar, Imam Asqalani in Fath al Bari, its mentioned that this tradition, these traditions, there is a few of them. They are all known as Ahadith Dai’efa (weak narrations) because the whole prophetic tradition, the whole hadith narration thing is a science. You have to look at the chain of transmission, you have to analyse the historiography and the historicity of these chains to determine whether there is an authentic or inauthentic tradition and there is so much room for difference over that. So these two Imams , uhm, despite doing what is known as Taqleed or imitating there school of thoughts position on this which is the medieval stance which was actually the same throughout the world that homosexuality was seen as an abomination, um, …speaking of the traditions themselves they said these traditions are weak. So all I am saying without prescribing anything because  that they need to be executed like Shokani and Fath al Bari are weak narrations. I am not a Mufti, what I am saying is that there is no reason why a modern interpretation has less authority then a medieval one

Now what is Maajid intending here? Well firstly according to Maajid there is nothing wrong with an interpretation that is ahistorical and violates the Ijma! Didnt Rashad rant and rave about how HT violated the Ijma here?

http://quilliamfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/106

He then goes on and says that idea that homosexuals should be executed ( lets leave the building issue aside for now) is something that is extreme and the hadiths that support this (well specifically the one where they are to thrown off high buildings) are weak. In fact, Maajid would have problems with executions generally. Let us leave that for now but of course I do not support the implementation of a capital punishment in this country! In fact, there is a difference of opinion in Islam on the type of punishment that the Homosexual will receive in an Islamic State ( that is in the Muslim world, if it is established). We then have the gem

You see according to Maajid Ibn Hajr and Shokani did Taqlid on another Medieval position (read possibly as a position that he does not like and in his head would have a probably more “acceptable” modern interpretation). Now this was not to do with the punishment but to do with the act of Homosexuality being an abomination itself!

In fact he says that there is scope and room for a modern interpretation even though paradoxically he says and I quote

 I am not a Mufti, what I am saying is that there is no reason why a modern interpretation has less authority then a medieval one

Well, well now, is he saying that even the act of Homosexuality is no longer considered an abomination in Islam and is subject to re-interpretation? We await his clarification!

Doesnt it make you cringe that Usama Hassan said we are and I quote “liars” if we think these people are heretics? Doesnt it make you cringe that representitives from the Radical Middle Way are supporting these people?

Just for you Maajid an article on Homosexuality coming up!

It just makes you wonder about the extreme agenda of the British government who sent a “representitive Muslim delegation” to Egypt. Do you they really think that by taking an idiotic heretical cult like the Quilliam Foundation along with naive Muslims like Abdul Rehman Malik that you might actually change the views of the Muslim heartland ? As Ed said

There is  alot of work to be done

Watch out for his wonderful reference Jamal al Banna! Ed starts out and says

“…..Jamal al Banna, Shiekh al Banna God bless him! His brother is sitting there in a room in Cairo, today 7/7 refuting everything that his brother stood for”

Now Jamal al Banna ,la Jamal lahu! is a notorious heretic that is well known among the Egyptian Ulema. Just for you Ed, we are going to have a special article on this man and his awful beliefs!

Now my concern is with the “naive” Muslims like this Abdul Rehman Malik and others that we shall not mention for the moment.

Isnt it time that certain ulema  have something to say about this? We wait and wait for our Ulema to protect our religion! Abdul Rehman Malik seems to be a  representitive of the Radical Middle Way and thinks that the Quilliam Foundation is good organisation to promote despite its heretical views. It seems (and I emphasis that)  that the Radical Middle Way is on the same route towards our “beloved” “Government Islam”. Isnt is shameful that we have major Ulema who are part of this “middle way” yet here we have a  supposed representitive supporting clear Kufr! Of course this needs clarification and we are not accusing this foundation yet.

Abdul Rehman Malik’s link to the Radical Middle Way can be found here

http://www.muslimcafe.tv/pages/guests.php?guest=151

We also cannot forget Hamza Yusuf’s support of the Radical Middle Way

Now I know Hamza Yusuf and Abdullah Bin Bayyah are innocent of this filth the Quilliam foundation. Now Ulema come out in the open and disown yourself from this Government agenda to make you “Rand Muslims”