Alhamidullah Wonderful News!
Finally alhamidullah we have an official response from the first scholarly body in the UK on this heretical cult called the Quilliam Foundation. This has been signed by none other than Shiekh Suhaib Hassan himself and Furqan Bin Mahmood from the Islamic Sharia Council!
Here is the link
http://clarifyislam.wordpress.com/
Also here is an interesting section from the fatwa.
As a Muslim we should know that our religion is perfect without any imperfection as Allah says; “this day, I have perfected your religion for you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion”
Therefore, belittling them or calling them as out-of-date constitutes disbelief as Allah says;
“Then do you believe in part of the scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.”7
Here is another excerpt from the fatwa
Denying Allah the right of Lawgiver means he has taken someone else as partners besides Allah who has the right to determine how this individual should conduct his life. The one who does not recognises Allah as his Master to govern him then surely he has found another god to administrate him. He is a clear disbeliever outside the fold of Islam.
In other words Ed Hussein and his side kicks have commited disbelief! We must remember that Usama Hassan has called us liars for labelling this foundation as heretical.
May Allah reward Shiekh Shuhaib Hassan for his bravery! Ulema of this country, it is now time for you to protect your deen and follow in the same righteous path that our Shiekh has taken. Come out in the open and disown them and follow the examples of great Ulema like Sarkhasi, Ibn Taymiaah, Iz Deen Abdul Salaam, Juwayni, Nawawi and others…..
Salaams
Excellent fatawa, I wonder what Jimas have to say any chance someone can send this to them?
Abu Laith
August 19, 2008 at 5:40 pm
What an excellent idea! Anyone attending the JIMAS conferance?
traditionalislamism
August 19, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Salaams
I would hope it is sent before the conference starts then they can be questioned why thye still would allow Usama Hasan
Abu Laith
August 19, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Alhamdulillah, may Allah reward those who stand by the Qur’an and Sunnah and not be shaken by those who now clearly constitute disbelief by the mere concept of changing, disregarding or insulting that which is perfected, ordained and sanctioned by Allah the Almighty.
Ahmadi
August 20, 2008 at 12:20 am
Inshallah, JIMAS will take heed! For a self-confessed secularist like Usama Hassan to attend an event by QF or CC is fine – but not a conference organised by a surpposed Salafi group like JIMAS! Can we ask Sheikh Shuhaib to have a little talk with Abu Muntasir?
Ali Abdullah
August 20, 2008 at 12:53 am
I thought Abu Muntasir is the problem behind it all? Is he not the one who confused Usama Hasan? He is the one who loves the Queen of England?
These are questions I ask. I heard Abu Muntasir mention that he supports the monarchy in Britain (ref: dawah training Leyton masjid). I was under the impression that usama hasan considers Abu Muntasir to be his mentor.
Usama Hasan: My teacher Abu Muntasir has been involved with CC right from the beginning as an advisor and a regular speaker.
ref: http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=12263
(CC = citiy circle)
the secularist organisation Muslim parliament promotes Abu Muntasir and the Jimas conference. http://www.muslimparliament.org.uk/Jimasconf.htm
(to me that’s the bad guys promoting jimas)
(digressing a bit:
interesting piece of article promoted by this muslim parliament:
http://www.muslimparliament.org.uk/SudanTurabi.html
)
musab
August 20, 2008 at 1:34 am
About time!
I think someone should raise as a question some of the things that Dr Usama and et al have been saying to all the leading scholars, as the above one, and then publish their answers. They may not be willing to discuss QF and others, but they cannot refuse to answer on issues that are effecting Islam.
Whoever sent the above q and a done an excellent job. Well done!
Abu Ridwan
August 20, 2008 at 6:52 am
Seems like the tide is changing. We can now put all these heretics in the dustbin of history, right where they belong.
Abu Ridwan
August 20, 2008 at 6:53 am
Excellent news.
Slowly but surely, people will see through them.
Thats why it seems they are moving to the US…for a seemingly more receptive audience.
EG; the washington institute – a far right neo-con, zionist entity.
Abu Umar
August 20, 2008 at 1:15 pm
What further evidence does Abu Muntasir need before he disassociates JIMAS from whose connected with QF? He still hasn’t given an answer as to why the QF site links to the JIMAS site, or why JIMAS and Abu Muntasir are praised in the QF’s launch paper.
Ali Abdullah
August 20, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Ed Husain has responded to the MCB climbdown over the Muslim Marriage Contract:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/20/islam.religion
Abd'Allah
August 20, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I wonder which of Sh. Haddad’s categories of people who support this munafiq marriage contract we should put Eddie under?
Abu Abdullah
August 20, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Abu Muntasir, Usama Hasan are both in the same bed with Ed and Co, they have to be – they have been forced or persuaded to align themselves with the Government agenda to save their own souls but by working against the community in diverting the Ummah’s attention away from British & American foreign policy. So far it has not worked and will never work.
They want us engaged in in-fighting and disunity, so that we may forget about Palestine, about Iraq etc. They want us to busy ourselves with internal and local issues, so they attack us so that we may begin to busy our time in defence. They fear our attention to the attrocities caused abroad, not just Islam, they fear our zeal to love the Prophetic way of justice.
They may find comfort in a psuedo-sufism and not in an Islam that seeks justice and peace. Their agenda is multi-faceted, aiming to disconnect us from the wider Muslim world, that is why they keep harping on about a ‘western Islam’ – this simply means ‘their Islam’.
They think if they disconnect us from the wider Global Ummah, then they will free the western Muslims of issues of Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.
People like Hamza Yusuf have been going on about a ‘western Islam’, yet he himself learnt his Islam in the East. Yes, we already have a western Islam, it is strong and on a revival, it will not cut its cord from the east, nor will it break the laws of Islam. It will not make happy the western slave masters, but will serve only Allah.
They will force you to question your ideals and laws, they will make you feel embarassed about hijab, about your deen, about shariah and about self-defence (i.e. Palestine). They will make you become apologetic in every way, until you accept their version of Islam.
Ahmadi
August 21, 2008 at 2:00 am
I’ve looked at the CiF article. Anyone “Ed” doesn’t agree with he insults:
“It was all too good to be true. Misogynist, Saudi-trained clerics don’t simply stand by and watch their last grip over Muslim family life slip away so easily. First, as expected, came an Arab male cleric with extreme Wahhabi leanings, denouncing the contract as kufr, or non-belief. His rant can be watched on YouTube.”
Anyone who bothers to watch the Sheikh Haitham video would see that it is a reasoned lecture, not a “rant.”
He also indicates his liking for the City Circle. Now isn’t that a surprise! And remember, Usama Hassan is involved with both City Circle and Quilliam Foundation.
“This MCB policy is as retrogressive and insular as its previous decision to boycott attending Holocaust Memorial Day. Then, it was the City Circle that pioneered an alternative platform for Muslims to remember the Holocaust, and again, the City Circle is ahead of the MCB in advocating an alternative reading of scripture to facilitate Muslim female power.”
Ali Abdullah
August 21, 2008 at 5:05 am
I know facts can be quite awkward sometimes, but it might be useful to list all the endorsements this contract received from those who had read the contract in full before its launch:
Source: http://www.musliminstitute.com/article.php?id=1247
- Dr Reefat Drabu, the Chair of the MCB Social and Family Affairs Committee: “The Muslim Council of Britain (the MCB) is pleased to have collaborated
with the Muslim Institute in this important initiative. It meets a pressing need
of our communities by explaining in clear and simple language the importance
of marriage, the process leading to its solemnisation and the rights and
responsibilities flowing from it for the parties. I congratulate and commend
Mufti Barkatullah and the Muslim Institute for making the template for the
Certificate of Marriage. It is very well constructed and the explanatory notes
reflect the consensus of opinion amongst leading Islamic scholars on the rights
and responsibilities of parties to a marriage under the Shari’ah. The MCB calls
upon all the Imams/Qadis involved in performing nikah to use the
documentation, as its correct use will facilitate the success of marriage and will
lead to harmonious and healthy family life”
- Ann Cryer, MP: “This document has been carefully researched over a 4-year period and I feel confident in recommending its findings to women (and men) of the Muslim Faith contemplating Marriage.
The advice contained will, I am sure, help thousands of young people and I congratulate the Muslim Institute for having the foresight to prepare, publish and launch this excellent piece of work.”
- Dr Ziba Mir-Hoseini, Centre of Islamic and Middle Eastern Law, SOAS, University of London: “The idea of marriage as a contract is one of those powerful concepts in Islamic legal tradition that allows two individuals to regulate their most intimate
relationship not only within the bounds of the Shari’a but also in accordance with the demands of time and place. The launch of the new standard marriage contract is a welcome initiative, a right step in the right direction, that provides the Muslims in UK with a model for a harmonious and egalitarian marriage.”
- Anne-Marie Hutchinson OBE, Leading family lawyer: “I am delighted to support this very important and inclusive initiative. The Muslim Marriage Contract will provide certainty in marital obligations. Most importantly it will provide civil law protection to many women and children through the obligation on the parties to enter into a binding civil marriage. All too often spouses have found themselves marginalised and cut off from the legal and financial protection afforded by the Matrimonial Causes Act, 1973.”
- Dr Usama Hasan, Director, The City Circle: “This new Muslim marriage contract is an excellent development, since it draws on those traditional Islamic legal opinions that are more in keeping with the spirit of gender equality. Too many fathers have abused their right of wilayah (guardianship) over their daughters and too many husbands have abused their right of initiating divorce for us to continue with law rooted in patriarchal societies. It is high time that Muslim women enjoy the same rights and freedoms under Islamic law as they do under present legal systems in the UK.”
- Shaykh Haytham Tamim, Director of Utrujj Foundation: “We welcome the initiative. It meets the aspirations of our young people.”
- Shahid Raza, OBE, Secretary, Imams and Mosques Council (UK): “It is a commendable initiative and likely to enhance the family life of Muslims in Britain.”
Ibrahim
August 21, 2008 at 9:39 am
^^ Whats awkward about these “facts”???
You can also judge the contract by the “calibre” of the people who have signed up – they are either ignorant, of a defeated mentality or simply not muslim at all
Secondly – some people were duped by it, and some of the claims of endorsement have been shown to be lies.
And the MCB have withdrawn their support…
Abu Abdullah
August 21, 2008 at 11:44 am
Sorry to have to be a party-pooper but the MCB have re-endorsed the contract. Keep up boys:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/21/islam.religion
“The marriage contract produced by the Muslim Insititute is simply one interpretation of shariah.”
Though I appreciate with all this flip flopping it is difficult to know whether they’re coming or going.
Ibrahim
August 21, 2008 at 1:10 pm
I think MCB are trying to stay ’safe’ and at the same time disassociate themselves, I am not sure if this will work.
Yes people are ‘allowed’ to have different interpretations, but without the ijma of scholars it will not stand. MCB are trying to make that point.
Ahmadi
August 21, 2008 at 3:14 pm
LOL @ibrahim
You Quilliamites have this insane ability to reinterpret in the most positive manner for your own agenda
Look – though the MCB usually cop out – she certainly didn’t cop out on slamming Ed, and those who are behind this “contract”, and she didn’t want to look foolish after originally backing it….
Whatever the case – you’ve been had
Abu Abdullah
August 21, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Abu Abdullah – I repeat again, the MCB have re-endorsed the contract as being valid from the shariah. What else needs to be said here? Will you now accuse them of being “secular sell-outs” too?
Ibrahim
August 21, 2008 at 4:12 pm
First of all – did i ever praise the MCB?
Whoever backs this contract is a secular sellout, from Usama Hassan to anyone else.
The reality is though that you are just reinterpreting what you think suits – that is one sister from the MCB, why don’t you ask Abdul Bari what he thinks?
Abu Abdullah
August 21, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Secondly – who are the MCB, or this sister from the MCB – to claim that this is a valid contract?
Islam, and the opinions of the 4 mathahib, tells us otherwise
Abu Abdullah
August 21, 2008 at 4:31 pm
So the MCB are “secular sell-outs” as she speaks on their behalf on ’social and family affairs’ issues. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Here we have a sister trying her best to stand up for the rights of women against misogynist males (some of whom frequent this sight it appears) and you re-act in this way.
Ibrahim
August 21, 2008 at 4:40 pm
its spelt “site” and not sight
The one who should be ashamed is the one who sells out his deen supporting heretics and heresies
Abu Abdullah
August 21, 2008 at 5:05 pm
salaam aleikum,
It should be kept in mind that prior to 7/7 the MCB was the largest recipient of govt. funding and political direction from the British govt.. This continued up and until the Sufi Muslim Council came on the scene. That was so far out on the fringe and devoid of any mainstream support of any kind, the govt. went back to the lab and came up with a hybrid — a virus/STD called Quilliam Foundation.
So distinguishing between elements of MCB and open kufr of Quilliam is simply splitting hairs, both were/are funded and directed by the same people for the same objective (pacifying Muslims, politically neutering Islam).
regards,
Sameer
Sameer
August 21, 2008 at 5:32 pm
“Ibrahim” or shall I say Quilliamite! it is also insulting to call the CONSENSUS of the Sunni school as “misogynist”!
Spare us the insults and use evidence! I forgot the Quilliamite heretics left that a long time ago.
I wonder what is the position on the abomination of homosexuality, so that we can get a clarification.
Will the Quilliamites in time allow homosexual marriages?
Just asking…….
traditionalislamism
August 21, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Mr Ibrahim – If you are going to hop around this blog and others, including the Facebook group with fake names, childishly insult people and making fun of them, then all you do is prove to everyone that you and your Quillamite friends have no benefit for the Ummah or for the deen of Allah.
May Allah guide you and us, amin.
Omar al-'Aleem
August 21, 2008 at 7:23 pm
lol when did mcb become the bastion of islam?
Abu Laith
August 21, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Ibrahim can i ask u why quilliam is now advertising a position for head of research? was rashad not good enough
Perhaps he didnt have a degree thus not helping his profile
Abu Laith
August 21, 2008 at 7:59 pm
yeah it turned out he lied on his CV!
traditionalislamism
August 21, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Ibrahim how do I apply for head of research? What is the basic salary?
traditionalislamism
August 21, 2008 at 8:37 pm
traditionalislamism – what is a “Quilliamite”? I have no involvement with QF.
Abu Laith – I think you’re being too harsh on the MCB, again I have no involvment with them either.
I think when the MCB or QF or anyone else stands up for the rights of women and the oppressed enshrined in Islam (but denied by contemporary Islamists and literalists) then we should support them.
Ibrahim
August 22, 2008 at 9:09 am
QF are not standing up for the rights of anyone though, except the Foreign Office right to do as it pleases in Muslim lands
They are misrepresenting Islam, they are attacking certain Islamic ideas, and they are simply using women rights as a way to do so
All the problems they mention are cultural and not islamic, and playing with the shariah is a false solution which is thought to impress the non-Muslims by saying – “yes, we have a problem with our shariah, but look – we have modeernised it”
They are government stooges, and everyone knows it – so i don’t know where you have been the last 6 months
Abu Abdullah
August 22, 2008 at 10:00 am
“I think when the MCB or QF or anyone else stands up for the rights of women and the oppressed enshrined in Islam (but denied by contemporary Islamists and literalists) then we should support them.”
It is amazing how they pretend to be so many different characters. The owner of the Maqasid site told me that these Quilliamite traitors under one IP address had over 5 fake profiles posting comments!
lol!
How in the world would ANYONE claim to support the QF who are know traitors of the Ummah.
traditionalislamism
August 22, 2008 at 10:36 am
Ibrahim, you prove to be a very narrow minded and unintelligent person. If you think tha QF have brought about a single iota of good to the Muslim community or have benefited ANYBODY then you are sorely mistaken. Look at everything they have done and everytime they have made things worse for Muslims in the UK.
Everyone is concerned with the rights of Women in Islam, in fact the cause to restore Womens Islamic rights in Islam is a must for all organisations.
But we stop praising those who have become the enemies of Islam and this is clearly and without doubt the QF.
You cannot harp on about rights when you see that the QF support a contract that has no standing with the ulema as well as it being based on lies (of concensus). You prefer to stick with those who lie to the Muslim community openly?
Get your head straight bro, check all the facts. Get to know that QF are the real problem here, we will always work on rights of women, but we must expose those who seek to change Islam and destroy it.
Ahmadi
August 22, 2008 at 1:10 pm
oh I forgot, Ibrahim, you are one of the QF, just another fake name.
Ahmadi
August 22, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Al-Hamdulillah! Today in the jummah khutba, the imam, sheikh Abdul Qayyum, of East London mosque, and also an affiliate of MCB condemned the marraige contract as un-Islamic and as overriding what Allah has prescribed.
Abu Ridwan
August 22, 2008 at 2:22 pm
(quilliamite on) wahhabite islamist!!!!!! (quilliamite off)
I wonder, just how many “friends” do Ed and co. have(would i need 2 hands to count them or would 1 be enough)?
And if there are any – how many of them know what Ed and his clones stand for anyway?
Abu Abdullah
August 22, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Interesting how Ed endorses the contract as Islamic and in accordance with Hanafi law but goes against the rest of Hanafi jurisprudence (which even his citation of the Hanafi fiqh is wrong – the Hanafis do not encurage or templatise marriages without the wali amr – they simply state that if one is conducted without wali amr the marriage will be legal and not count as zinah and the father can go to court to have the marriage thrown aside in given scenarios – ref:hidayah)
jk
August 23, 2008 at 9:19 pm