Who Shall we Really Believe?
Looking at the Quilliam Alert of the Quilliam Foundation we have this “poetic” intervention into the episode. I quote
Muqeem then lunged forward to continue his attack on Maajid but restaurant staff and others physically stopped him. As he was forcibly removed, Muqeem threatened Maajid, saying ‘this is only a slap compared with what I am going to do to you’.
Now the Quilliamite (supposed “independent consultant” )”Khurram” in a comment (probably Rashad Zaman Ali who is also very likely to be FLARI on the MPAC discussion boards ) thinks that and I quote
…Witnesses in Pakistan are a ‘dime a dozen’.
Interesting that when we have in the very same press release a reliance on anonymous witnesses from Pakistan. I quote
Eyewitnesses say Maajid promptly stood up and offered ‘salam’ or ‘peace’ to his attacker
Maybe these eyewitnesses were not Pakistani. Maybe they where English Neo Con Gove supporters on Holiday in Lahore. Who knows these days ?
What makes this more preplexing is that the same staff that “physically removed” Tayyab for being rather “obnoxious” testify that he was a peaceful man that was a regular at the Cafe! In fact the cafe owner agrees with Tayyib’s account! So according to the Quilliamite conspiracy theory, we cannot depend on local testimony from Pakistan unless it is a Quilliam Alert. We also have to believe that the very staff that “booted” him out of the Cafe later were given money to testify for him
Wonderful, the fairy tales that we get from the Quilliam traitors!
LOL, nicely picked out.
The double standards are soooo clear and obvious. Just like the US and UK governments, they say one thing and do another. Hypocrisy is their hallmark and its rubbed off onto the Quilliamite imbeciles.
Ahmadi
May 18, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Anyone want to respond to the one-sided article on Asian Image?
http://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/4377763.Quilliam_director_in_alleged_attack/
Ali Abdullah
May 19, 2009 at 3:32 am
Majid Nawaz has been consumed by a salary and lifestyle he has never had – all at the expense of the British Tax Payer i.e. me and you.
We are paying for his brand new mini cooper.
We are paying for his mortgage payments.
We are paying for his 1st/business class flights around the world (£3000 a ticket).
We are paying for his stay at 5 – 7 * hotels (upto £2000 a night)
We are paying for his office rent.
We are paying for all the activities he is setting up to mislead Joe public, like in the case of Tayyib.
HT or Not, we the British Tax payer, of whom many are now unemployed, struggle to raise our children on measly benefits and have to fight on a daily basis to secure legitimate hard earned income.
Majid Nawaz has never worked hard in his life to earn legitimate income.
But he has found his niche. A gap in the ex-islamist market.
What he does not realise, clearly, is that once you shake the hand of the devil (British Govt, American administration), he does not let go!
Abdul Rehman
May 20, 2009 at 9:39 am
Rash is pathetic, see his latest post:
http://traditionalislamizm.wordpress.com/
ZAM
May 23, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Zam,
I read Rashads blog, its funny how his accusations are actually a mirror of his/quilliam actions.
I know Rashad reads this regularly so I decdied to respond here. I mean, Rash you got owned on here, so you decided to try mpac, you got owned on their too! So now its back to writing on your own blog – if you allowed our comments to be posted there, I guess you would get owned there too! I guess when shaitan owns your heart, the rest is academic.
By the way, nice to see that you are rotating your IDs to make it look like you have support – word of advice though trying using different names I mean Khurram has just posted on your blog and we know that is you so it kinda makes it makes you look dumb.
Who flooded blogs with the Quilliam press release – it was Flari/Khurram. He says Tayyib bribed witnesses, erm well at least Tayyib named witnesses and provided contact details so we could check. He ignores the fact that Quilliam also claimed witnesses (although they couldn’t name any). Rash, what happened to the claim that witnesses can be bought for a cheap price? Does this rule only apply if a witness contradicts what Quilliam says?
He says that the British pound goes a long way, on this I have to agree with him. I used to hear about Mir Sadiq, Mir Jafar, Mirza Qaddiyani amongst others who sold their Iman, but I never I thought I’d see one of my “friends” trade their Iman for the very same pound – way to go Rashad.
ali
May 24, 2009 at 8:59 am
I think Rash also runs or helps run this blog:
http://www.spittoon.org/archives/67
Anyone know anymore?
Zam
May 24, 2009 at 10:48 am
Sid/Faisal – the Quilliam supporter who is always posting at Pickled Politics – is also involved in this blog.
Abdullah
May 24, 2009 at 3:19 pm
@Zam
All I know is that Houriya Ahmed works for the CSC and adheres to their ideology and Faisal Gazi is a twit who blabbers on the Pickled Politics site. Not for much longer though, I think everyone has come to realise he’s just a ranting simpleton.
I guess that already shows what angle the Spittoon are taking.
Tobias
May 24, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Mashallah looks like traditional islamist is having the right effect. When people like Rashad (probably sponspored by ed et all) set up a fake blog site to counter TI, one can clearly see their desperation!
Keep it up brothers. Many many Muslims read the TI blog.
“Nay, We fling the truth against the falsehood, so it destroys it, and behold it is vanished..” (Al Quran 21:18)
Ameen
Abdul Rehman
May 24, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Rashad won’t let me post on his site!
Come Rashad… aren’t you all about “creating a dialogue”??
Tobias
May 24, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Maajid has repeated his story for the Guardian:
Former British Islamist faces death threats during lecture tour of Pakistan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/24/majid-nawaz-pakistan-death-threats
“His rivalry with former comrades followed him to Pakistan. Nawaz said a British HT official, whom he met by chance in Lahore last week, punched him in the face. “He said if you don’t get out of this cafe I’m going to beat the crap out of you,” said Nawaz.”
Ali Abdullah
May 25, 2009 at 12:45 am
This Guardian journalist seems to believe Maajid’s version of events:
Former British Islamist faces death threats during lecture tour of Pakistan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/24/majid-nawaz-pakistan-death-threats
“His rivalry with former comrades followed him to Pakistan. Nawaz said a British HT official, whom he met by chance in Lahore last week, punched him in the face. “He said if you don’t get out of this cafe I’m going to beat the crap out of you,” said Nawaz.”
Abdullah
May 25, 2009 at 5:24 am
I think we should go and terrorise them on the Spittoon site:
http://www.spittoon.org/
Those writers seriously very clever and very disrespectful of Hizbut Tahrir and Traditional Islamism.
Abdullah Ibrahim
May 25, 2009 at 8:26 am
It is the same old people. We caught “Sid” out here before with his distortion of references.
They can come here if they want to discuss
traditionalislamism
May 25, 2009 at 8:32 am
I wouldn’t bother with spitoon – its Sid the hypocrite and his merry band of apostates.
They are begging for attention – like their buddy the drama queen murtad nawaz
Just ignore them – that hurts them more than anything else. They are irrelevant so don’t waste your time
ws
abu abdullah
May 25, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I hope he takes the case forward against Maajid for damages and libel, if its possible. Its the only way that Tayyib can clear his name and show Maajid for what he is, a lying murtad.
Ahmadi
May 25, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Dear all,
There is some discussion above about who we at The Spittoon are. We are a group of writers and activists who oppose religious supremacism and clerical fascism in all its various stripes and denominations. A fuller description is available at our ‘About‘ page.
It’s very heartening to see your interest in our new blog and I would like to warmly invite each and every one of you to come and engage with what we at The Spittoon have written already and will be writing in the future. I trust you will find it interesting and informative, even if you may not agree with every word.
Best wishes,
George Readings
George (The Spittoon)
May 25, 2009 at 7:16 pm
salaam aleikum,
I agree with the comments by “abu abdullah”, getting an air headed bimbo such as Houriya Ahmed, who knows next to nothing about Islam (besides what orientalist profs taught at Uni) to write an article attacking khilafah/shari’ah is par for the course, here she is showcasing her ignorance about polygamy and of how/why it was decreed as an Islamic practice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpPc0o9xz1I&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3DHouriya%2520Ahmed%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aoffic&feature=player_embedded
and further, gleefully quoted by a site put up by American neo-cons attacking Palestinian school children’s schoolbooks:
http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2009/03/british-donations-funding-hate.html
to be attacked by munafiqs and kaffirs of this variety is an honor and something we should aspire to and be proud of, it means we are getting under their skin, foiling their secularist/kufr agenda, and making them politically uncomfortable.
Sam
Sameer
May 25, 2009 at 8:17 pm
@ George
You are welcome to contribute here as long as the topics are relevant i.e. no troll like behaviour and as long as you or the crew on your site do not insult (in other words that is all to offer) . We feel that does not really contribute to a discussion
Make sure “Sid” reads up before he comes here. We don’t want him distorting references now do we? Well in fact he just made up facts about Ghazali!
“Actions” like that give an impression that it is all about propaganda (“shudder” the thought lol!), but I am sure each individual is to be judged by his or her own contribution.
traditionalislamism
May 25, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Wa alaikum as-Salam Sam,
I’m assuming you are a Muslim, and was just wondering what gives you the right to use inflammatory language against my sister Houriya? As el Hajj Malik ash-Shabbaz, more popularly known as Malcom X put it, cursing is something people do when they can’t find the words or the arguments to express themselves. Frankly, you should be ashamed of yourself. “Fear Allah, and be upright in your speech…” – have you come across that verse of the Qur’an yet?
That aside, excuse my ignorance, I accept that I am merely a lay Muslim and not an ‘alim like you may be, but how and why was polygamy decreed as an Islamic practice, and how do you know it is a viable option today? The only Muslims I know who have done it cheated on their first wives and told them months (sometimes years) later. Is this moral according to your interpretation of Islam?
the moon
May 25, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Its funny how munafiqs in the pay of the British govt. (remember that loyal British lapdog Mirza Ghulam Ahmmed anyone?) should misquote and distort Malcolm X and his legacy as an excuse and supposed justification for your own political prostitution.
Here is a speech that describes this species of human garbage — the Quilliam sellout, the brown social climbing coconuts at CSC, Policy Exchange, or any other neo-con directed and funded “thick” tank:
Sameer
May 26, 2009 at 12:19 am
field negro = any Muslim who lives in or identifies with the Muslim Ummah
house negro = any Quilliamite, neo-con loving lapdog of the British/American establishment who can’t bring themselves to discard Islam entirely because of intellectual dishonesty. Listen for above for Malcolm’s definition.
Sam
Sameer
May 26, 2009 at 12:25 am
Rashad has truly lost the plot, see his latest post:
http://traditionalislamizm.wordpress.com/
Why are we giving these guys so much attention?
Zam
May 26, 2009 at 8:58 am
Houriya Ahmed needs to practise Islam first before speaking about it. The Qur’an and Sunnah clearly state the role of men and women.
As Muslims we listen and obey, we don’t follow our own desires or the wishes of the British Government!
If the Prophet (saw) deemed polygamy acceptable then who are you to say it isn’t?
Zam
May 26, 2009 at 9:02 am
Tbh all this is becoming rather silly now. Maajid has typically blown this all out of proportion to maximize publicity.
It all reminds me of a ronaldo dive barely being touched yet rolling around the sofa as though he had been shot.
The media are lapping it up only because it serves their agenda and not because of any truth of validity. The best way to deal with maajid is simply to mock him for the event like they do with ronaldo.
Abu Laith
May 26, 2009 at 1:32 pm
quilliam guys are joke even among the more liberal muslim organisations you don’t even have to mention them anymore they have become a non entity already. If the best they can do is for majid to go to pakstan and do a drogba dive as if he has been shot sums it up really!
geronimo
May 26, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Rashad is going loonie.
Abdul Rehman
May 26, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Funny how Rash accuses us of obsession, yet comes here and reads what we have to say – then spoofs articles about it – did he sell his sense of ration along with his Iman?
ali
May 27, 2009 at 8:18 am
salaam aleikum,
3 points that can help further the dawah against this kufr:
1. an open letter to his handlers (James Brandon et al) and others in the UK govt. as to what British taxpayers have gotten for their money and is their any accountability for the use of their funds, since British politicians, like Quilliam (and many jihadis before them), feel they can sponge and leech off of public benefits and taxpayers without having a real job or any sense of responsibility or accountability for doing so.
This petition below is a good starting point and I think should be either re-written and sent out or made a permanent link on this blog:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/im-against-the-government-spending-my-money-on-the-quilliam-foundation
2. The link to this petition should be in the form of a banner which other blogs (both Muslim and non-Muslim) can display prominently. The over-reaching of the bootlickers of Quilliam has led to a backlash not just in the UK, but in Scotland, and in the U.S. (as a result of the Yasir Quadhi “alert” LOL) and non-Muslims as well (Sikhs and others).
This is a cause even non-Muslims who detest the govt. will join if articulated and well written.
3. Note to said coward: you have been exposed, humiliated, and ridiculed on *every* blog — be it here, MPAC, the Abu Rami faction, Guardian CiF, etc.
Rather than sitting in front of a computer hatching out more blogs to try and gain more funds from your masters, do yourself and everyone on the internet a favor and go down to the clinic and pick up your medication for your known mental illness issues, before said stuff is publicly disclosed on a blog by others and you have even less of a reputation left than the miniscule one you have now.
Sam
Sameer
May 27, 2009 at 1:05 pm
U.S. Foreign Policy researchers had been mentioning in blogs, columns, and publications to avoid using the term “Muslim World” since this would imply there is such a thing as a Muslim ummah:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4963
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/16/AR2009041603258.html
It is nice to see the munafiqs, like dogs chasing a ball, still recite their talking points from their masters:
“The Quilliam Foundation, a London-based counterextremism think tank made up of former Islamist activists, described the speech as “groundbreaking and courageous.”
Welcoming a “nuanced but significant change” in Obama’s language, it added that he “avoided any use of the term ‘the Muslim world’ and instead adopted ‘Muslim-majority countries’ and ‘Muslim communities.’ ”
The statement continued, “There is no monolithic ‘Muslim community,’ nor is there a singular homogeneous entity known as ‘the Muslim world,’ rather there are diverse and distinctive Muslim communities that need to be reflected in our discourse. Using the term ‘the Muslim world’ only serves to bolster the Islamist and Al Qaeda narrative of ‘the West’ against ‘Islam’ – of a battle of ‘us’ versus ‘them’ or ‘good’ versus ‘evil.’
“By omitting this, Obama has taken a positive step in the battle of ideas and in realizing his promise that America is not fighting a war against Islam.”
source:
http://features.csmonitor.com/globalnews/2009/06/04/britain-appreciation-for-obamas-nuanced-view-of-muslim-majority-countries/
Khalid
June 4, 2009 at 10:49 pm
As-salamu ‘alaikum ikhwaa,
I think the fact that Maajid Nawaz has been making a round recently of Pakistani is indicative of Quilliam’s utter failure. They couldn’t lure people in the U.K. and were rejected elsewhere such as the U.S., now they’re out to dupe and con Pakistan’s “forward thinking intellectuals’, who are enamored by any walking talking entity that can speak english has come from abroad.
Anyway, just recently Maajid Nawaz showed up on a private Pakistani channel, on a debating show. It’s scary because he’s getting some leverage as an expert of sorts. But, what’s reassuring is the fact that Maajid Nawaz sounded like a blabbering fool, and was thoroughly humiliated because his side lost the debate.
Haha.
Anti-Quilliam
June 5, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Quilliam lot know that the day of Labour are at an end. So now they have to find new pay masters. Sucking up to Obama and soon the Consertavies is expected.
They (Quilliam) are intellectual buffoons. Firstly, Obama’s statements are not a source of legal standing which act as a criteria for anything! For sure it is interesting to hear what he has to say, but like previous American Presidents, quoting from the Quran and “extending a hand of peace” has changed nothing.
But even if we analyse his speech, to the horror of the Quilliamites, he talks about civilisations debt to Islam:
“It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”
Well it doesnt take Einstein to work out which era he is refering to! It is obviously the era of the Khilafah when indeed there was a “Muslim World” by Maajid’s definition!
“Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition. ”
I wonder which entity he was refering to in that context? I reckon Maajid and co probably had a “nuanced” heart attack when hearing such a thing!
I can hear Ed now – “Quickly publish a Q Alert!!:How dare Obama even implicitly give legitimacy to the “Caliphate” of andalusia..”
Buffoons
Abdul Rehman
June 6, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Obama did mention the “Muslim World” in his Ankara Speech:
“the United States is not at war with Islam and will never be. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject”
“But I also want to be clear that America’s relationship with the Muslim world cannot and will not be based on opposition to al Qaeda. Far from it. We seek broad engagement based upon mutual interests and mutual respect.”
“Our focus will be on what we can do, in partnership with people across the Muslim world, to advance our common hopes, and our common dreams.”
Surprised that there was no Quilliam Alert!
Abdul Rehman
June 6, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Mehdi Hasan puts the boot into QF over the don’t say Muslim World press release:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/jun/07/muslim-world-quilliam-foundation
Wrong to talk of a ‘Muslim world’?
The Qulliam Foundation says that talk of the ‘Muslim world’ serves to bolster Islamist and al-Qaida narratives. Are they serious?
Abdullah
June 7, 2009 at 3:40 pm
salaam aleikum,
This is the CORRECT way to expose the con and fraud of Quilliam, encourage them to talk and talk as often as possible, because in their desire to please their masters in the govt. they WILL inevitably overreach and exaggerate (munafiqs [abdullah ibn ubai] since the time of the Prophet (saw) also did this). Once they do, they put themselves in a box and then have to do contortions and verbal gymnastics to get out of it. This is a re-run of the episode where they issued a press release denouncing Yasir Qadhi then climbed down and issued another “amended” press release (http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/504).
I thank the brother for the article and encourage others to look for and do the same in the future insha-allah.
salaam aleikum,
Sam
Sameer
June 7, 2009 at 5:53 pm
QF now spends a lot of its time arranging lectures for non-Muslim spooks! We don’t have to bother about this. What we do have to bother about – and what I find a bit sinister – are these ‘training sessions’ for imams.
http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/511
http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/506
They don’t like to give much info, which makes me wonder what exactly they are up to. I think we now need to spread the word around our mosques that if imams are asked to attend one of these programmes, they must refuse!
Abdullah
June 9, 2009 at 11:15 am
These munafiq’s should be audited and reviewed, just as other organisations like the radical middle way is, we want to know detailed records of every penny spent, on what and exactly the details of their training. These murtada’s should not be hoarding tax payers money and not be held accountable.
Ahmadi
June 9, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Rashad and his cronies are now propogating their rubbish on: http://www.spittoon.org/
These munafiqs need challenging!
Zam
June 10, 2009 at 6:46 pm
salaam aleikum,
best advice i can give you is *IGNORE* s*ittoon.org, it is a site of NO significance populated by secularists with ZERO credibility or standing among Muslims. The difference between this and Quilliam, is that Quilliam is funded by British taxpayers, aided and abetted by neo-cons, and is peddling a govt. agenda without allowing anyone to challenge or question it.
Sameer
June 10, 2009 at 10:32 pm
It’s almost certain that the Conservatives will win the next election. One thing that Tories hate is spending money on useless QUANGOs, and the Quilliam Foundation IS a useless QUANGO!
The Quilliamites do have the support of Michael “I’m a Neocon” Gove MP, but I think he’s a minority in his party. I suggest that anyone who has a Tory MP should contact them and say that QF is a waste of taxpayer’s money as it is divisive and does nothing to combat ‘extremism’. I am sure everyone can think of reasons why they are a waste of money!
Abdullah
June 11, 2009 at 9:39 am
I notice all that Zam does here is advertise rashads’s sites.
Well Zam, may Allah reward you for your concern, but we don’t want to waste our time with those people.
Their arguments have no credibility and so we won’t give them any either.
ws
abu abdullah
June 11, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Sorry bro – I thought sites like this one were tackling these jokers!
Zam
June 11, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Zam they can come to us
We can tackle them quite easily here. I thought we tackled Faisal quite well when we exposed his shoddy reading of Ghazzali.
You must remember some of them are not concerned about accuracy. It is an issue of propaganda.
On the other hand if you have doubts then you can put them up here and we can inshallah deal with it.
traditionalislamism
June 11, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Thanks brother T.I
By the way Rashad is posting under the name ‘Zorro’ on that site
Zam
June 11, 2009 at 8:14 pm
as mentioned above – they can (and have) come here to be humiliated. As it is the information on this site is enough to highlight the complete incompatibility of their thought with Islam. There is no point to going to their websites that NO ONE ELSE visits anyway.
abu abdullah
June 11, 2009 at 8:54 pm
There is an article in the Sunday Express that says that the government wants to ensure that British Muslims studying in Saudi Arabia become Salafi and not ‘Wahabi’!!
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/107304/Government-plans-new-counter-terrorism-strategies
“Ed”, of course, has something to say:
Ed Husain, the former Islamist who renounced jihad to form the well-respected Quilliam Foundation counter-terrorism think tank, said: “I am not convinced that we can learn much from Saudi Arabia. Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham and the East London Mosque, as well as others, have Saudi trained clerics and the mindset of bigotry, literalism and supremacist tendencies behind these kind of mosques are the bane of our lives.”
QF is “well-respected” by who!?
Abdullah
June 14, 2009 at 7:41 am
I’ve come across this official report. The Muslim ‘leaders’ interviewed don’t think much of QF! (In Section 2):
http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/cms/idoc.ashx?docid=d6a0d97d-16cd-49d3-95a5-8c125b37941d&version=-1
Abdullah
June 16, 2009 at 10:08 am
Good report:
Page 14:
“About PVE, some Muslims are uncritically for the government; others are more distant
from the mainstream. But there is big scepticism towards the Quilliam Foundation,
with its staff on £80,000 salaries”.
The above negative view towards the Quilliam Foundation was held almost universally
by all participants and corroborated by attending meetings including Understanding
Redbridge Communities (URC) meeting.
Criticism of the Quilliam
Foundation was felt quite unanimously in the interviews held as shown above.
Page 15:
One major disappointment with the Quilliam Foundation was their
silence on international issues and the need for the Muslim community to have an
international voice in common with other major faiths.
““Instead (of support for MCB), they have given a £1 million to the Quilliam Foundation,
who state that what happens in Palestine does not affect us here. Our support for
Palestine is because of injustice. This is a two way thing. It is part of the principle of
communitarianism of brotherhood all around the world.”
Abdul Rahman
June 16, 2009 at 12:57 pm
So much for grass roots support! Once again the British Government have been duped!
Abdul Rahman
June 16, 2009 at 12:58 pm
sorry to break this to you brothers
the Spittoon covers this one and shows this report to be a Bunglawala fabrication
http://www.spittoon.org/archives/1065
w/s
Abdullah Ibrahim
June 16, 2009 at 6:03 pm
We should stop thinking that the government is naive or being duped. The Government is guilty of deliberately trying to push a new agenda, a new agenda for Islam in Britain, defined by their own boundaries. They want Islam to be different and unique in the UK and want Muslims to conform to this. So they deliberately pushed the Sufi Muslim Council and the Qulliam Foundation, even though they do not have community support.
So let us not assume or think that the gov do not know what they are doing. They have this planned out from the beginning.
Ahmadi
June 16, 2009 at 6:14 pm
It’s still an interesting report, because it’s actually about PVE. References to what people thought about QF – and other groups too – is just a tiny part of it.
Abdullah
June 17, 2009 at 1:56 am